NACCAP Board Spotlight: Amanda Slaughter, Bethel University (IN)
In this episode of the Higher Education, Higher Purpose podcast hosts Phil Cook and Heidi Sturm speak with Amanda Slaughter, Vice President for Enrollment Management at Bethel University. Amanda shares her inspiring journey from dropping out of high school to pursuing higher education and building a successful career in Christian education. Phil, Heidi, and Amanda discuss the challenges faced in the current higher education landscape, the need for agility in enrollment strategies to adapt to shifting demographics and student needs, and the significance of integrating faith with work.
What You Will Learn:
- Amanda's journey from dropping out of high school to achieving academic success
- The importance of mentorship in guiding students through their educational paths.
- Faith integration in higher education.
- The need for agility in enrollment management is critical in today's changing educational landscape.
- How students can explore their potential and not limit their dreams.
- How to network with peers in the NACCAP community!
Resources:
Visit our website: https://www.naccap.org
Email us: Office@naccap.org
Visit The NACCAP Annual Conference: https://naccapconference.org
Transcript
Welcome to the Higher Ed Higher Purpose Podcast, a podcast designed for NatCap members, prospective students and their families.
Phil Cook:Hello, everyone.
Phil Cook:Welcome again to another edition of the Higher Education Higher Purpose Podcast.
Phil Cook:My name is Phil Cook.
Phil Cook:It's my pleasure to serve as the president of NatCap and I'm so pleased to be with you today.
Heidi Sturm:And I'm Heidi Sturm and I'm the Director of Marketing and communications here at NatCap.
Phil Cook:Heidi, you know, we've been talking to a lot of folks that we know that we have personal relationships with, and some of them have been our bosses.
Phil Cook:And so we are thrilled today to have another one of those representatives from the NACAP Board of Directors, Amanda Slaughter.
Phil Cook:Amanda, thanks for joining us today and being with us.
Amanda Slaughter:Thank you.
Amanda Slaughter:It's great to be here.
Phil Cook:Well, Amanda, we've been doing a formal introduction.
Phil Cook:We want people to know the credibility that you bring to this and how you serve.
Phil Cook:And so Amanda serves currently as the Vice President for Enrollment Management at Bethel University in Mishawaka, Indiana.
Phil Cook:But she's been in this industry in higher education for more than 20 years.
Phil Cook:She's worked with undergraduate, non traditional graduate students from various NATCAP institutions in multiple states.
Phil Cook:Enrollment, financial aid, career services, and student retention are all her specialties.
Phil Cook:Amanda was a past recipient of our Regional Service Award that NATCAP gives.
Phil Cook:And as I mentioned, she currently serves on our board of directors and also our executive committee.
Phil Cook:I didn't know this before reading the profile, but Amanda has a bachelor's degree in journalism from Biola University, a master's degree in higher education from Geneva College, and she's currently pursuing her PhD at Indiana State University.
Phil Cook:Amanda's originally from South Central Los Angeles and she's dedicated to serving others in advancing Christian education.
Phil Cook:Her husband is Andrew.
Phil Cook:She's been married 18 years and they have a 13 year old son, Jonathan.
Phil Cook:Amanda, thanks again for being with us today.
Amanda Slaughter:Thank you.
Phil Cook:Thank you, Amanda.
Phil Cook:I have a son.
Phil Cook:His name is Andrew, but his major, he just graduated a year ago, is journalism.
Phil Cook:And he loved writing and he loves.
Phil Cook:Now he's a sports guy, so he loves.
Phil Cook:He's a frustrated athlete.
Phil Cook:But I didn't know about your journalism degree.
Phil Cook:Tell us a little bit about your desire for that.
Phil Cook:Did you ever work in it?
Phil Cook:How does it serve you in your work?
Phil Cook:Now?
Phil Cook:Tell us about your journalism pursuit and your academic interest there, please.
Amanda Slaughter:Yeah, well, I graduated from Biola, as you said, and when I enrolled originally, I didn't know these things about college.
Amanda Slaughter:I didn't know what I wanted to do and I didn't know that I like to dress up.
Amanda Slaughter:So I literally picked business initially because I was like, okay, business, that's a good career.
Amanda Slaughter:And then I realized how much math was involved in it, and it said, oh, no, oh, no.
Amanda Slaughter:And then I switched to communications.
Amanda Slaughter:So that was my major coming in.
Amanda Slaughter:And at that time, public relations was under it.
Amanda Slaughter:And they formed a new major, journalism, with PR and broadcast and other things under it.
Amanda Slaughter:So they moved me over to PR under journalism, and I was like, oh, no, I don't want to be a journalist.
Amanda Slaughter:So, yeah, it was a newly formed.
Amanda Slaughter:Like, Violet has since created PR as a major.
Amanda Slaughter:But as I started going through business, I was like, you know, can I major in something that's business and communication?
Amanda Slaughter:My goal was if there could be someone who would pay me to talk.
Amanda Slaughter:That was the ultimate, like, goal.
Amanda Slaughter:I always like to write and write creatively, poetry and things like that.
Amanda Slaughter:But I never saw myself as a true journalist.
Amanda Slaughter:I did have to learn a lot broadcast friends.
Amanda Slaughter:I actually worked at the student newspaper, but I worked as the person who did the business side of that.
Amanda Slaughter:And, yeah, so that kind of helped develop me.
Amanda Slaughter:Obviously, it helped my writing skills.
Amanda Slaughter:And I'm still more of an editor than writing from scratch, I think, because it honed those type of skills within me.
Amanda Slaughter:But at the end of the day, the PR major, as it stands right now, that's probably what I would have gone for.
Phil Cook:I love it.
Phil Cook:You describe what I was trying to do.
Phil Cook:I said, I just want a job where I get to talk for a living.
Phil Cook:And admissions enrollment is a part of that.
Phil Cook:Right.
Phil Cook:But you talked about.
Phil Cook:And you tell families and working there at Bethel about the Christian college experience.
Phil Cook:And we're very open and talking about.
Phil Cook:All of us come from a Christian college experience that we've been talking.
Phil Cook:What about your experience at Biola?
Phil Cook:What stands out from your time there?
Phil Cook:Your growth, your spiritual development?
Phil Cook:When you tell people about this was my experience at a Christian college.
Phil Cook:What did you tell people?
Amanda Slaughter:That's a great question.
Amanda Slaughter:I often.
Amanda Slaughter:I'm not sure if I tell my full story to people because I don't feel like my story is very typical.
Amanda Slaughter:I was someone who dropped out of high school, and my family was living on welfare and we just couldn't sustain staying housing.
Amanda Slaughter:And so I dropped out of high school to work.
Amanda Slaughter:I went to work and I tried to stay in school, but school didn't really matter to me.
Amanda Slaughter:So then when I.
Amanda Slaughter:It was only a friend that I had who wanted to go to community college, and she was really nervous about it, and she.
Amanda Slaughter:I Was like, I'll go to that class for you, with you.
Amanda Slaughter:And I went along with her to community college.
Amanda Slaughter:Along the way we realized, oh, we probably need a GED or high school diploma.
Amanda Slaughter:So I actually went back to school at night and then transitioned to community college.
Amanda Slaughter:And with no intention of really transferring, I was just going to support.
Amanda Slaughter:And over time we went to classes together.
Amanda Slaughter:And then I was very involved in church.
Amanda Slaughter:So one women's retreat that I went to, I ran into a Biola professor.
Amanda Slaughter:And that professor was like, well, have you considered transferring or where do you go?
Amanda Slaughter:I never.
Amanda Slaughter:To me, I started working at my church as a receptionist and I really loved that job.
Amanda Slaughter:And I was like, one day I'll be the pastor's head secretary.
Amanda Slaughter:It was like the dream of mine.
Amanda Slaughter:And I would work all day and then at 6 to 10, go to class at night.
Amanda Slaughter:And when I met Dr.
Amanda Slaughter:Marla Campbell, who was a professor at Pilot, she said, this is what you're going to do.
Amanda Slaughter:You're going to stay at my house and visit Biola during the day.
Amanda Slaughter:I didn't know what a Biola was, even though it was a Christian and you'll just check it out.
Amanda Slaughter:And I just went on campus and just felt God speak.
Amanda Slaughter:And I was like, well, Lord, did you see the price tag though?
Amanda Slaughter:Did you see the price tag?
Amanda Slaughter:I believe faith without works is then.
Amanda Slaughter:So I went through the process of applying and everything and I got in and got just enough aid, just, I mean, short enough at the poverty level.
Amanda Slaughter:I was to have to do some creative things to pay the balance that I had.
Amanda Slaughter:But I moved in.
Amanda Slaughter:I got rid of my apartment.
Amanda Slaughter:So I went into college.
Amanda Slaughter:I went into Biola with like, I feel a real sense of call to be here.
Amanda Slaughter:The idea of like integrating your faith and your job work, but without a real plan.
Amanda Slaughter:I just wanted to graduate and like, okay, maybe I can make more money and I can serve God.
Amanda Slaughter:It.
Amanda Slaughter:But as an adult, moving in with freshman was a little challenging for me.
Amanda Slaughter:And that was a little bit different in that unique space.
Amanda Slaughter:I think I was a really serious student because of that.
Amanda Slaughter:Like, really serious, but then working my way.
Amanda Slaughter:And the only things I really got involved in in student life are things like were things that were pertaining to my job.
Amanda Slaughter:I'm like, ok, business.
Amanda Slaughter:I was involved in the student missionary organization, but publicity director.
Amanda Slaughter:So I just tried to put all those things together to make the best path and career for me because I didn't have anything to go back to.
Amanda Slaughter:I was adult student who moved in and then I had to make sure I had a land at a job to be able to afford to live somewhere.
Amanda Slaughter:Right.
Amanda Slaughter:So I think my own story is unique in that.
Amanda Slaughter:But if I tell it to students or families that say, God has a call on your life and it's greater than what you can imagine and you don't have to decide right now what you want to do because it's greater than you can imagine.
Amanda Slaughter:Be at a place where you can develop your yourself academically and spiritually at the same time.
Phil Cook:Well, I don't know if what school that I would go to when hearing you describe that, but I know I would go to the school where you were working.
Phil Cook:And I and I and Heidi, when we doubt and think, oh, girl, we questioned what should we be doing in this podcast.
Phil Cook:This is why we do this.
Phil Cook:Amanda.
Phil Cook:Amanda, I've got a couple more questions come to mind.
Phil Cook:How much does your story, by the way, you should be.
Phil Cook:In my opinion, you should be telling that story.
Phil Cook:You should.
Phil Cook:I mean, I feel like this is a book, a story of overcoming and success and survival, all of those things, and the goodness and the faithfulness of the Lord at the Bible Institute of Los Angeles in your life.
Phil Cook:But I would say, how much does that inform your work today?
Phil Cook:How much does your story.
Phil Cook:You're going to have students that walk in that can write a check where they come from.
Phil Cook:Privilege.
Phil Cook:I was a full pale kid.
Phil Cook:I get that and I understand it.
Phil Cook:But also the issues of growing up in South Central.
Phil Cook:How does that inform your work today in Mishawaka, Indiana?
Amanda Slaughter:Yeah, so I worked at multiple different institutions across the United States.
Amanda Slaughter:I've only worked at Christian institutions, interestingly enough, before I got involved in Christian education, I worked at a church.
Amanda Slaughter:So I've always had this element of integration of faith with work that we do.
Amanda Slaughter:So I've only chosen to work at places that were truly Christian, though that really did that integration and really believed in Bible tenets and didn't waver from them.
Amanda Slaughter:So Bethel, in my work, how it shows up is that I'm recruiting for a student body that is diverse and I represent a diversity of the future as the nation is diversifying.
Amanda Slaughter:And so just sometimes the physical presence of showing, hey, there's someone who through God's own divine resiliency made it through college.
Amanda Slaughter:And college is a possibility for you.
Amanda Slaughter:I love talking to parents also, because I'm a parent, I look at those things in a different way.
Amanda Slaughter:I see parents trying to guide their student as they're becoming an adult.
Amanda Slaughter:Like you're kind of trying to push them forward.
Amanda Slaughter:We had our NATCAP College fair here in Mishawaka yesterday, and I saw parents kind of walking through, but trying to make sure they step behind students.
Amanda Slaughter:I'm pushing them forward, and I hope that they would choose a Christian institution like Bethel, but I'm trying to help make them make their own decisions and own choices.
Amanda Slaughter:So actually, in the recruitment process, we're trying to give hope to students as well as trying to guide parents in the right way to be behind the student as they make their choice and make informed decisions and play that advocate role as they're helping the students through the guiding process.
Heidi Sturm:You're listening to the Higher Ed, Higher Purpose podcast.
Phil Cook:We are talking today with higher ed and higher purposes.
Phil Cook:This is precisely why we do this.
Phil Cook:And with Amanda Slaughter, vice president for enrollment management at Bethel University in Mishawak, Indiana, and a member of NatCap's board of directors, I've got one more question, and then Heidi will jump in.
Phil Cook:You mentioned a faculty member who reached out to you.
Phil Cook:And, you know, my thought is about a faculty member because we work in the academy, but just a person, someone investing in your life.
Phil Cook:How important?
Phil Cook:I know it's very important in your story, obviously, but just talk a little bit about that, about the importance of a somebody inserting themselves into your life that changed the trajectory of your life and how you do that today in your life as well.
Amanda Slaughter:Yeah.
Amanda Slaughter:Interestingly enough, when I went back to work at Biola in leadership, my very first day was Dr.
Amanda Slaughter:Marla Campbell's last day as a professor.
Amanda Slaughter:And she got to see me open.
Amanda Slaughter:There was a grand opening of the welcome center, and I spoke there, and I spoke about her.
Amanda Slaughter:She was in city, right there in front of me, Marlon.
Amanda Slaughter:And I've talked and we've kind of stayed in touch in some capacity about how God can use you in moments and showing up for people because you're letting God lead you and use you as a voice.
Amanda Slaughter:I mean, we are his vessels and we are made.
Amanda Slaughter:We're like the potter's clay.
Amanda Slaughter:Right.
Amanda Slaughter:And as he molds us, we are allowed to be the vessel which God can pour into.
Amanda Slaughter:But you're not meant to keep all that water to yourselves.
Amanda Slaughter:It's meant to be poured out to others.
Amanda Slaughter:So you have to feel that I talk to my staff about that.
Amanda Slaughter:You have to make sure your cup is filled so that you can pour out to others.
Amanda Slaughter:The way that you show up is first you make sure that your cup is filled.
Amanda Slaughter:Then you allow yourself to be used by God to speak through.
Amanda Slaughter:So in that moment, for me and Dr.
Amanda Slaughter:Campbell and I talked about this is God.
Amanda Slaughter:God just placed in her a spirit of humbleness to be able to say, hey, here's what I think you should do.
Amanda Slaughter:And I'm opening up my own space for you to reside in, in that humility for you to experience something new.
Amanda Slaughter:And I hope that I could show up for that, for other people to be present enough to see somebody and say a word and encourage them in the process of looking at Christian hiring and.
Amanda Slaughter:And Bethel, specifically in the area, in the neighborhood that I live in here in Northern Indiana, are just virtually in this capacity.
Phil Cook:Excellent.
Phil Cook:Thank you.
Heidi Sturm:Wow, Amanda.
Heidi Sturm:It's just so neat to see how God uses people and then brings things full circle.
Heidi Sturm:I'm like, what a cool story.
Heidi Sturm:And it's so neat talking with you because I feel like I'm kind of coming full circle because I used to work at Bethel in Indiana.
Heidi Sturm:The office has changed a little bit.
Heidi Sturm:It's still somewhat.
Heidi Sturm:Looks like a barn, but not as much as when I used to work there.
Heidi Sturm:But the person who hired me at Bethel, I worked for for two years, and then she left and went to Biola.
Heidi Sturm:And I believe she's the one that hired you, correct?
Amanda Slaughter:Yes.
Amanda Slaughter:Yes.
Amanda Slaughter:Andrea Helmut, who's still a good friend of mine, lives down the street.
Amanda Slaughter:When I was graduating from bio, I was considering what I was going to do with my next step, and I was one of those students who were like, I'm graduating.
Amanda Slaughter:Let me move on.
Amanda Slaughter:And someone in the office in admissions encouraged me to apply as I was applying different places to work.
Amanda Slaughter:And Andrea tells the story.
Amanda Slaughter:There were 50 applicants in that pool, and I became the main recruiter for Violin Southern California, out of that pool.
Amanda Slaughter:Me and Andrea have stayed in touch.
Amanda Slaughter:And so when this shop opening came, as she was seeing me rising my own leadership, she actually recommended me for this position here.
Amanda Slaughter:So she's been a big part of my life.
Amanda Slaughter:A mentor.
Amanda Slaughter:I think more like a friend as we've transitioned and stuff.
Amanda Slaughter:But it's interesting.
Amanda Slaughter:I run to a lot of people who know Andrea because I believe, I think.
Amanda Slaughter:Was she a NatCap president?
Phil Cook:She was.
Phil Cook:She was, yes.
Amanda Slaughter:She and other people in my life, like Andre Stevens was Andrea's boss at Biola at the time.
Amanda Slaughter:So now he's a president at a CCU, a NatCap institution, too.
Amanda Slaughter:So I've had a lot of greats in enrollment be a part of my life.
Amanda Slaughter:But, yeah, full circle that.
Amanda Slaughter:I live in Northern Indiana.
Amanda Slaughter:And I'll tell you, I was like, I'm not moving to Indiana.
Amanda Slaughter:I'm a city girl.
Amanda Slaughter:All she showed me was horse and buggies.
Amanda Slaughter:And I was like, yeah, but this is, like, this is a big city in the state of Indiana.
Amanda Slaughter:This is where our city girl actually goes.
Amanda Slaughter:But close enough to the country, so it's a mix of those.
Amanda Slaughter:And that's why I think.
Heidi Sturm:Right.
Heidi Sturm:Oh, that's great.
Heidi Sturm:So as you have been working in NatCap schools for so many years, what do you feel some of the NatCap membership benefits are that you would tell other people that might be considering a NatCap membership?
Amanda Slaughter:Yeah.
Amanda Slaughter:Well, I became a NACA membership person because this institution I was at was already a member.
Amanda Slaughter:So I didn't know I was a member until I got signed up for the conference as an admissions person.
Amanda Slaughter:So I went to my first conference.
Amanda Slaughter:I believe that was at Calvin University in 20.
Amanda Slaughter:Oh, I can't even say 20.
Amanda Slaughter: It's: Amanda Slaughter: Yes,: Amanda Slaughter:What do you say now?
Amanda Slaughter:And I really loved that experience and was encouraged.
Amanda Slaughter:I saw all the sessions, and I felt like at that time, I transitioned into being a transfer counselor, and I didn't see any transfer sessions.
Amanda Slaughter:So Andrea suggested, hey, how about submit a session?
Amanda Slaughter:So the following year that I went back, I had a session.
Amanda Slaughter:So in NatCap, I found the opportunity to be poured into and learn more about the industry as a young professional, and then take my knowledge, find a piece within the organization that I could get back.
Amanda Slaughter:And I did that my second year, and I started doing sessions and things like that.
Amanda Slaughter:So involvement that way.
Amanda Slaughter:I felt like it's a network of people that you can lean on your competitors, but you also become friends with a lot of people.
Amanda Slaughter:So I got to be friends with some people at apu, which was a bio's rival at the time, and now I'm good friends with other people, particularly in our state of Indiana.
Amanda Slaughter:So I know all the VPs, most of the VPs in the area that are part of NatCap, and there's some camaraderie.
Amanda Slaughter:Like when the FAFSA fallout came, we're emailing and talking to each other about, what are you doing in this challenge?
Amanda Slaughter:What are you doing that challenge?
Amanda Slaughter:So I find camaraderie, camaraderie there.
Amanda Slaughter:Now, NatCap has developed a lot further since when I started, so there's, like, webinars and other things to participate in, just in terms of professional development.
Amanda Slaughter:Now I am a part of the professional development committee.
Amanda Slaughter:Come on.
Phil Cook:You're right.
Phil Cook:Preaching to the choir.
Amanda Slaughter:Let's go.
Amanda Slaughter:Yes.
Amanda Slaughter:That are Just, just a part of just being a member and most institution because since it's institutional membership, membership, all the staff that are part of that institution get to benefit from any other resources.
Heidi Sturm:And then how did you decide that you wanted to serve on the NATCAT board?
Amanda Slaughter:Oh, I feel like my story is a bunch of told people.
Amanda Slaughter:Like God's using people to tell me go do this, go do that.
Amanda Slaughter:And I end up saying yes.
Amanda Slaughter:So I won't tell the full story.
Amanda Slaughter:But I think it was Chan, who was the former executive director, president of, of NatCap, who encouraged me and Ryan Spears also encouraged me to be on the board.
Amanda Slaughter:I resisted for a couple of years because as a leader, particularly at that time I was associate vice president.
Amanda Slaughter:I had a lot on my plate.
Amanda Slaughter:And so I think it wasn't until like Phil's first day.
Phil Cook:That's right.
Amanda Slaughter:And he's Pentecostal in the background.
Amanda Slaughter:I'm God.
Amanda Slaughter:And so we felt the spirit, I guess, come on.
Amanda Slaughter:And I said, yes, I'll be on whatever position or whatever role you would have me in.
Amanda Slaughter:Yes, I did say wait for a couple years.
Amanda Slaughter:And it's been a couple years, so I'll serve now.
Phil Cook:And we are glad you are, Amanda.
Phil Cook:That is true.
Phil Cook:I tell people that I'm a recovering Pentecostal.
Phil Cook:I'm not sure what that.
Phil Cook:I know what it means in my mind, but what it does mean is that I believe that God still speaks and God is one of the told people and God tells us to do things.
Phil Cook:And I'm glad he told and you listened to serve with us and helping lead NACAP to what we think has been a really exciting three years and the future.
Phil Cook:And by the way, I was on a call yesterday with some Fort Wayne, Indiana folks and do you know of the five midwestern contiguous states here, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana is the only state that's adding population people.
Phil Cook:The others are declining significantly.
Phil Cook:Just thought I'd share that little tidbit for you there, Amanda.
Phil Cook:Thanks for this is why we do it.
Phil Cook:You know, sometimes I've said this in previous podcasts.
Phil Cook:You've been to a church service where a pastor will cram a 15 minute sermon into 4:45 minutes and you think, oh God, when is he going to be done?
Phil Cook:When is she going to be done?
Phil Cook:It's not the case today.
Phil Cook:Our time is already gone and the purpose of what we're doing is to get people to hear your story, get an appetizer and want to know more about you.
Phil Cook:Bethel had a great year this year.
Phil Cook:You know and you and I talked about this and as an enrollment leaders, it should be celebrated when we have good this is the most difficult environment of my 30 years in higher education that I've ever seen.
Phil Cook:What advice, what encouragement, what pastoral working at a church, wanted to work at a church.
Phil Cook:And now being a leader in this industry.
Phil Cook:What advice or what's on your mind and heart to your colleagues and to your friends who might be listening to this as we serve the kingdom in this.
Amanda Slaughter:That's a good question.
Amanda Slaughter:You know what comes to mind?
Amanda Slaughter:I've read a lot of books and told me early on leaders are readers.
Amanda Slaughter:So one of my favorite authors or person who speaks about the future of Krishna Hare is Nathan Grahl.
Amanda Slaughter:And Nathan Grohl has two books, one that talks about demographic shifts and then his second book on the agile College is something that we should take a look at for the future.
Amanda Slaughter:And that's what our space is in enrollment and marketing.
Amanda Slaughter:And actually I just got asked to take on marketing and that is officially congratulations yesterday.
Amanda Slaughter:And that speaks to the need to be agile in this space.
Amanda Slaughter:There is a need for Christian higher education to grow.
Amanda Slaughter:There's obviously growth that's taking place.
Amanda Slaughter:People are coming to Christ and there's still opportunity for Christian higher ed.
Amanda Slaughter:But you need to be agile and move with the environment and learn along the way.
Amanda Slaughter:Use the resource that are at your disposal, like NatCap and other resources to learn more about how demographics are shifting about higher education and be able I said this is an example FAFSA's change for this year.
Amanda Slaughter:The schools that were able to still get their students to file and be still inspired to go to college because lots of the nation did not go to college, they decided to put it on.
Amanda Slaughter:But the schools who were agile enough to keep the students engaged are the ones that had big returns this year.
Amanda Slaughter:But that took agility because the FAFSA kept moving its deadline and schools had to respond accordingly.
Amanda Slaughter:So that's my encouragement today.
Amanda Slaughter:Read the book.
Amanda Slaughter:Maybe I'll write a book one day.
Amanda Slaughter:Keep agility at the forefront, Heidi.
Phil Cook:Now be in the front of the line or online buying it when we do that.
Phil Cook:The soon to be Dr.
Phil Cook:Amanda Slaughter.
Phil Cook:And that is my Pentecostal kind of prophetic utterance there.
Phil Cook:Vice president for enrollment management.
Phil Cook:And maybe marketing will be added to the title at Bethel University and member of the NatCap board of directors and our boss.
Phil Cook:Amanda, we're glad you're with us.
Phil Cook:Thank you for your time today and thank you for the work that you're doing.
Heidi Sturm:Thank you so much, Amanda.
Heidi Sturm:Be sure to join us next time for the Higher Ed, Higher Purpose podcast.
